pete says, admittedly tongue in cheek that Darwin isn't a working scientist. Correct, he is dead. Just like your God. He requires faith in order to exist. Ergo he doesn't.

Some of the weird claims around this thread, not just pete, put benign intent on religion. That is perhaps more sinister than pete's cut and paste cum bullshit. Organised religion is about conformity and control. Everything from loose reasoning for pogroms to abusing children through control.

Fully supported by gullible sanctimonious people who may well be nice people in themselves, but blinkered by their group delusion.

That's why religion is more radical in countries where radical politics are the norm, such as Middle East, USA etc. With the dishonourable exception of China, have you noticed that countries where religion is important are the same ones that execute their citizens?

Still in France so reading Le Monde each day. A coalition of nazi sympathisers, non aligned fascists and the Catholic Church are organising marches saying gays and liberals are to blame for everything you can't pin on Jews.

Nice.