>>Just to take issue with the snail. You can't let science down but you can let religions down.<<<

One can certainly let down other people who believe in the integrity of the scientific community. One can damage the credibility of the scientific community. One can certainly abuse the credibility of scientific credentials by arguing in non evidential, unreasoning, unscientific ways.

Steve Shaw, for reasons already mentioned, is time after time, losing the argument to pete. To pete! (way to go pete for beating Steve with almost no facts on your side.) He can't continually claim to represent science and come up with no better argument than playground taunts and invective. Vilification is not argument. Simply claiming the other person is wrong is no real argument. It is just contradiction. I thought that Monty Python had settled this question many years ago. Think about it please. You will find that the Montys were right.