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Thread #61225   Message #3598200
Posted By: GUEST,Marcus Whitehead
04-Feb-14 - 10:02 AM
Thread Name: Becket Whitehead, Delph, Saddleworth, UK
Subject: RE: Becket Whitehead, Delph, Saddleworth, UK
Derek - regarding this comment -

"Beggin. Harry Boardman recorded this twice - First, on New Voices in 1965, where the notes (written by Bert Lloyd) say that it was obtained by MacColl from Becket. It uses the "MacColl tune", same as the Elliotts, though Harry sang it a lot faster. And second on A Lancashire Mon in 1973, where he used a different tune. The notes (written by Harry) say that this version comes from Becket, and adds: "A version of this song which is currently sung in the folk clubs, has a more modal tune, the origin of which is uncertain." He is referring to the "MacColl tune". MacColl himself recorded it on The Manchester Angel, where he says it is a "19th century Lancashire version".

The song is not in Harry and Lesley Boardman's song book, but it is in Mike Harding's song book, where it is described as collected from Becket by Herbert Smith and MacColl. [Who is Herbert Smith??] This tune looks to me to be the MacColl tune.

It seems highly likely that Harry got his second tune from the Seamus Ennis recording. "

I just listened to the version off "A Lancashire Mon" and it IS definitely the Becket tune on the Seamus Ennis recordings, although the lyrics differ. The lyrics used by Harry are very similar to those printed in Mike Hardings book

here's the Becket version to listen to, here