troll's admitted he's not a conservative anyway - he's too keen on change. As was Attila the Hun, so far as I've heard.

And also, so far as I've heard Barry Goldwater was too keen on the wrong changes to count as conservative - I'd put him down as a free-market liberal.

For an example, some years ago they nationalised the railway system in Great Britain - a necessary and therefore desirable change. Then they privatised it, for doctrinaire reasons, and to give their friends a handout - an unnecessary and therefore undesirable change which has come close to wrecking the whole system. Renationalising the railways now is necessary, and therefore desirable.

Again, reducing tax levels so as to allow the rich to keep more money was an unecessary and highly undesirable change.

Modernising brewing methods is unnecesaary and undesirable.

And so on and so forth.