Thanks, Stim. Seriously. It was all I was asking and you have now answered civilly. Shockley does seem to be a nutter as well. I think I made the comment before and it is worth repeating. For every nutter scientist you can name there will be dozens of religious nutters. The point about science being the new religion will never be true until scientific leaders are as bad as religious leaders. Which they are are not by a long chalk.

Cheers

DtG