dmcg - I could well be mistaken but I think you missed the point I was trying to make. some posters [ and Nye at the debate] insinuate that believing in creation takes away the development of science and its practioners, and consequently creation believing scientists must be silenced, and only evolutionism taught. this idea is false, as the accomplishments of creationist scientists, past and present, evidence.

on the point of historical figures of their time, and dawkins referencing believers in odin and suchlike. somehow I doubt if such devotees of ancient gods were evolutionists, but probably instinctively knew there was a creator[s], though not knowing of the biblical God. so what exactly was dawkins point?