I have generally kept out of this and I believe I know both Keith and Jim quite well though postings and PMs on various subjects and they both know that I agree with them on some things and not on others.

Can I make a request to both of you? Please pack it in. It is getting really tedious to those of us who can see valid points in both arguments. Neither of you are ever going to change the others mind. Or anyone else's for that matter.

Cheers

DtG