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Thread #153464   Message #3606432
Posted By: Stu
02-Mar-14 - 11:16 AM
Thread Name: BS: Darwin's Witnesses
Subject: RE: BS: Darwin's Witnesses
Tony McMahon is God.


"stu, complaining about me being insulting! please reread your post and realise you are being a hypocrite."

Hypocrite? I don't think so. I'm simply pointing out the complete and utter negativity of your position as a creationist and therefore someone with an anti-science agenda. Someone who understand and engages with science learns to change their worldview when new evidence is presented, a thing creationists seem utterly unable to do. They're so used to interpreting the world without any hard evidence they have lost the ability to discern reality from fantasy, and expect EVERYONE else in the world to do the same. They try to make the facts fit, but however hard they try they cannot change fundamental truth.

It amazes me people who claim to be devout Christians are the most unchristian people I've ever come across in many ways. Their dim and miserable view of man, nature and the universe lacks wonder and joy. They live their lives under siege, struggling to keep the flimsy construct that is their worldview intact despite the mountain of evidence that the basis of their beliefs is not meant to be taken literally; it's an insult to the writers at the very least that some of their readers are devoid of the ability to understand metaphor and allegory.

These nasty, unimaginative people have turned God into a trickster; a being hellbent on testing his hapless creations by giving them the ability to reason and understand, to seek knowledge whilst all the while attempting to misdirect them with misplaced evidence designed to obfuscate and deceive. Their god is wrathful and vengeful, a mighty spinning vortex of negativity visiting suffering, befuddlement and confusion on the very beings he breathed life into; playthings for the almighty who is indifferent to their suffering because THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO.

Why would anyone seek to paint a supposed benevolent, loving and forgiving god in this way? What are their motivations? To what degree does this brutal God give substance to their own feelings?

Like I said, if there is a devil then Creationists (along with all the other extremists) are in his thrall, even if they lack the wit to understand that they themselves have been deceived into twisting the image of the god they profess to worship into a travesty of what love and compassion actually means to us mere mortals.

I don't do science as part of some ridiculous conspiracy designed to junk religious belief, I do it because I want o contribute in my tiny way to the sum of human knowledge even though I will not see the benefit in my lifetime. I do it for the joy and wonder, and I do despite my own flaws and frailties and it's a constant struggle against my own deficiencies and shortcomings.

Like many non-religious scientists I will change my opinion if evidence of a divine being came to light, or if the earth was 6,000 years old. I too sense the numinous, understand the intuition that there is something greater than us 'out there' and we cannot comprehend it's true nature, despite perhaps seeing glimpses occasionally.