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Thread #153464   Message #3608503
Posted By: TheSnail
09-Mar-14 - 02:10 PM
Thread Name: BS: Darwin's Witnesses
Subject: RE: BS: Darwin's Witnesses
Oh dear, there's too much to keep up with and I really do have other things to do like playing tunes.

Troubadour
Surely, it is up to YOU TWO to furnish EVIDENCE that evolution DOESN'T happen.

You are relatively new to this epic battle so perhaps you don't realise my position. I do not have the intention or the desire or the means to produce any evidence that evolution doesn't happen. I have studied evolution and genetics at university level and find them utterly fascinating. They offer the best explanation we have for the myriad forms of life on Earth and almost certainly the best explanation we will ever have. I have absolutely no problem with any of that. What I do have a problem with is turning evolution into a pseudo religious belief system by declaring it to be true. I have said many times, science doesn't do true. Throughout my education in science I have been taught that you can never say a theory is true only that it hasn't (yet) been proved false.

Unfortunately following up things from the link to Jerry Coyne's talk that Jack posted, I found that the "evolution is true"/"evolution is a fact" stance is taken by a number of prominent scientists in the field of evolution. I can't help but feel that this plays into the hands of people like pete with their accusations of "Evolutionism". It only seems to Evolution. I don't recall anyone saying Quantum Theory is true or Relativity is true.

In the confrontation between Evolution and Creationism, much emphasis is put on the overwhelming evidence for evolution. I think this is wrong because it implies that their is a meaningful contest. The important difference is that the study of evolution is a branch of science and creationism is a branch of religion. They have no point of contact. What matters is to establish what defines science to distinguish it from religion. Steve Shaw dismisses this as quasi-philosophical burbling.

I have asked a number of times for people to show me some evolution and neither Troubadour nor Steve Shaw have responded. Parallels have been drawn between evolution/the theory of evolution and gravity/the theory of gravity. I experience gravity every waking moment. Something is holding me in my chair. If I put my coffee mug on my desk, it stays there, if I put it against the wall... oops. If I throw a ball up, it comes down again. Steve went even further saying that evolution was as self-evident as his left hand and its five digits. I can't see Steve's left hand but my own fits the same description. Show me some evolution that I can see and touch and smell. I'm afraid that a 23 year experiment involving bacteria in an American university doesn't really hack it as "self-evident".