dmcg on your first two points, I think we have agreement. in fact I think we are still running in tamden with creationism.
on the A or B, I have always said that I am presupposing that creation is right, and that evolutionists presuppose evolutionism is, and that both have the same evidence. it is the interpretation of that evidence which differs, due to the non negotiable bottom lines of each, which shimrod and stu religiously deny affects their interpretation.
happy holidaying, dmcg.

shimrod....apart from my admitting that I had made a mistake as to whether there were only two beetles surviving the flood, I did not say that there is no speciation. I also wonder [but do not know] if there were only 2 beetles, whether, given the immense numbers ,over numerous locations, that the numerous species might not arise since the flood anyway. not that I need that to stay biblical.

well snail, I assume that you have no fixed position. but as I can think of no 3rd scenario , except maybe ID, and I doubt you entertain that or creation, you will have to forgive me for assuming you prefer evolutionary ideas. clarification is welcome, but it is your prerogative to remain unclear.
but I welcome your challenge to the evolutionist believers to show you some.....!as I say....interesting.