Well, Keith, I think the point is that some of us don't like to see people who act like those things you mention being insulated from the direct and sharp criticism that they richly deserve. It's people behaving like those things, expecting to get away with not being called names, that are the true cause of the debate, and the forum, being dragged down. For example, I see Ake has reared his head here (with a pretty stupid accusation about a gang of four, whatever that's supposed to mean). Ake is a homophobe. He doesn't like being called a homophobe. We don't just tell him he's a homophobe, we explain to him why he's a homophobe. If he doesn't like it, he should either put up with it or take thought and stop being a homophobe. You blatantly misrepresented me yesterday in another thread. If you don't like being dealt with via sharp tongues, it's really simple. Don't misrepresent people. Jack did it to me all the time and he didn't like the way I reacted to that. Tough. You know, I can spend fifteen or twenty minutes or more trying to make a thoughtful post, then some twit who doesn't like me comes along with a one-liner and negates everything I've said by misrepresenting it, so I have to come back and tell him where he got it wrong and make the point all over again, and I'm supposed to be polite. That is not funny. I regard it as ten times more offensive than being called a name, frankly.