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Thread #154376   Message #3633871
Posted By: Jim Carroll
17-Jun-14 - 08:14 AM
Thread Name: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
" remember the prison statistics please."
The figures are connected to rising criminality - not terrorist activity, and the reasons for this rise has already been discussed, here and in the press - it is oly the extremist rags, incited by Zioning Gatestone who have attempted to link them to Islamism - and, of course, you and yours.
"We do know that we have "several thousand" Islamists here who regard ordinary people as legitimate targets"
This profound quote, presented here as your own, is directly taken from a statement made by the head of MI5 last October, which has nothing to do with what is happening in Syria or Iraq.
They and you have yet to produce a single shred of evidence of this having anything to do with a plot to Islamise the West.
"the conflicts in Syria and Iraq were clearly linked."
Of course they are, and despite allusions to a threat to Britain, they have no connection to Muslims here
Rather they date back to the facts covered in the article I provided earlier (still uncommented on by you and yours) dating these disputes back to the West's support of of Islamic radicals to support their own aims.
These are territorial disputes and power struggles in the Middle East, not unlike those taking place between Israel and Palestine
They are no indication of a plot to replace Christianity with Islam in the West
Any threat to Britain comes from these conflicts (including the Israeli/Palestinian dispute) taking on international proportions, and the greatest threat of this happening is from those powers with nuclear capability.
One intriguing development is Iran's offer to support the West in Iraq, should the necessity arise - I seem to remember that Iran is an Islamic State.
Jim Carroll   

More from the same source as the previous historical information.

SHIA AND SUNNIS FUELING POWER STRUGGLE THAT THREATENS IRAQ'S VERY EXISTENCE
Michael Jansen
Analysis
A MILITANT ATTACK ON BAGHDAD COULD LEAD TO A FULL-SCALE WAR AND REGIONAL UNREST
Reported massacres of Shia soldiers and civilians in cities and villages captured by the radical Sunni Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (Isis) are meant to prompt Shias to retaliate against Sunnis, while Shia clerics are making Shia volunteers swear loyalty to their sect on the Koran before deploying against Isis forces. The actions of both sides are fuelling a sectarian power struggle that threatens the very existence of Iraq. Although they share Islam's basic beliefs and practices - the profession of faith, alms-giving, fasting during Ramadan, and the Mecca pilgrimage - a political divide opened between Sunnis and Shias after the death of the prophet Muhammad in 632.

DIVIDE OVER SUCCESSION
Sunnis felt that his successor should be elected from among his "rightfully guided" companions. Shias argued that Ali, the prophet's cousin and son-in-law, and his descendants should succeed because they had a direct line to God.
Ali was anointed as the fourth caliph in 656 but was assassinated by fanatics in 661. His son Hussein was killed in battle at Kerbala in Iraq.
The anniversaries of these killings and the deaths of their successors are regularly commemorated by Shias, keeping alive resentment and reinforcing the 1,400-year-old split, which developed spiritual as well as political dimensions.
While 85 to 90 per cent of the world's Muslims are Sunnis, three countries have majority Shia populations: Iran, Iraq and Bahrain. Lebanon and Pakistan have significant Shia minorities.
During most of the modern period, Iraqis of all classes bridged the sectarian divide. Tribes had both Shia and Sunni members and often wed children from the sects to cement unity. Relations were exemplified by close co-operation during the 1920 revolt against British rule. Both communities staged demonstrations calling for independence and an Arab government.
That spring, an iconic battle at the town of Fallujah involved fighters from both sects. (A national symbol, Fallujah was subsequently levelled by US forces in 1991, 2003 and 2004 and is now occupied by Isis and its Sunni allies.)
To combat secularism among Shias, senior clerics founded the Dawa party in 1957. During the 1970s, Dawa campaigned against the ruling
Baath Party and, backed by Iran's revolutionary clerics, launched an insurgency that precipitated the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war. During this conflict, Baghdad had the support of Sunni powers and the West. But during the 1991 and 2003 wars on Iraq, the US backed the Dawa-dominated expatriate opposition, which took power during the US occupation and systematically destroyed the frayed fabric of Shia-Sunni co-existence.
Sunnis were disenfranchised, denied entry to the army, police and civil service, detained and cleansed from mixed urban districts. Protests during 2012-2013 were put down violently by the Dawa-dominated government of Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki.
In response, Sunni tribesĀ¬men and former army and police officers have joined the Isis offensive.
A threatened attack on Baghdad could trigger a full-scale sectarian war in Iraq, prompt Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran to intervene on opposing sides, and lead to Sunni-Shia bloodletting across the Muslim world.