Don't give lessons on how to cut and paste Joe. There are enough members who think that cutting and pasting text from dubious websites out of context equals debate as it is...

Ok, I shall accept the coincidence of the only post not taking being one where I gave a medical diagnosis of a member.

But as to my other point in my last post; I really take issue with your assertion that such atrocities are an excuse for the religion bashers to come out of the woodwork. Rational reactions to crime are not an excuse to moan about crime, they are a plea to get assurances that this sort of thing has a lower risk of reoccurrence now than before.

To date, I see on the Vatican website that obeying church authority and getting your moral compass from an old book with 2,000 year old ideals is the only way to be a good catholic.

You might not fall for that, but how many have your access to education and experience of applying reason? How many times do we read that priests are harmless but imams are dangerous for quoting the same instruction to their flock?

The sooner personal faith and organised religions are seen as two different influences on society, the sooner we can begin to dismantle the privilege that religious organisations have yet hardly deserve.