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Thread #154773   Message #3642763
Posted By: Teribus
17-Jul-14 - 05:45 AM
Thread Name: BS: lets develop Scotland
Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
Akenaton:
1: "Plenty of work in this area, most of it done by single Poles or Eastern Europeans living in sheds and being paid under the minimum wage....Economic migrants.

Our own young people who want to marry, have a family, buy a house, have no equality of opportunity. Houses are out of reach for most even if they could get a mortgage.

What do they do? Some live with their parents, some drift off to the city, live in rented accommodation and watch life passing them by."


Begs the following comments:
a If there is plenty of work why aren't "our own young people" as you refer to them not doing it?
b If "our young people" are living at home then they are one step better off than the Polish of Eastern European workers who must, presumably, be paying rent for their sheds, hired to them by "our locals" most likely. Or perhaps Musket could tell us if he also lets out sheds? ;0)
c What do they do? Get off their arses for a start and realize that the world and life does not owe them a living

2: "Most of the migrants working in this area are single men, here because they can earn three or four times what they can in Eastern Europe....they live in communal dwellings and send almost all their money back to their families.
The guys I spoke to say they have saved enough in 8 years to build a house in Poland.
A married man in Scotland could not live, never mind build a house on the wage rates quoted."


Bullshit – what one can do, then so can another. It requires sacrifice and exercising free choice. If the migrant can survive and save then so too could the Scot (We used to be famous for it). You will also find that you will not find the migrant worker down the pub, or outside it smoking or in the bookies

3: "The truth is, we have a whole generation of young people who have been ignored by governments who are using immigration as a tool to bolster a failing economy."

Free movement of the workforce has got nothing whatsoever to do with the British Government – the practice is part and parcel of being an EU member state. What we have is a whole generation of young people who have somehow got it into their minds that the world must operate and revolve round them pandering to their every perceived need and demand – unfortunately life isn't actually like that. We also have a whole generation of young people who have been brought up by their parents to believe that it is acceptable for them to weigh up the balance of life on benefits (Which they have never contributed to) versus working at whatever job is available then choosing which pays best – Wake up smell the coffee IT ISN'T – If you want to gain some working experience or if you want to acquire a work ethic then first you have to do some bloody work.


4: "Alex Salmond says he will increase immigration, but that will not work, a start must be made on training our young people, even if the rest of society are forced to take a hit in the process."

Just to make ends meet the Government of Scotland will have to attract and allow at least 500,000 more migrant workers into the country to work in both public and private sectors – They need the tax revenue and the national insurance contributions that allowing these people in to the country to work will eventually generate. No point in training "your" young people if those young people do not want to be trained and are only going to consider well paid jobs on their doorstep. You make decisions that directly affect your life with regard to increasing the options that will be open to you. Restrict yourself too much and all that is left is what is available and you take it – but sitting at home on benefits is not and should not be an option.


5: "If we force our youth to rot on minimal benefits and do not provide a viable future for them, we are simply storing up trouble for the future."

The only people forcing "our youth to rot on minimal benefits" are those youths themselves, their parents and people such as yourself – The State does not owe you, me, or anybody else a living.

6: "Independence first, then we can make the politicians dance to our tune."

Care to tell us how? The politicians you elect will do the same as politicians the world over do. They will con you into voting for them and they will then do all they can to keep hold of the power they have just acquired – You the voter and any of your wishes doesn't even enter the equation after that, until the next election when they con you again – easy to do because people like yourself and Musket are "traditional" voters (Musket admitting for voting for the Party of Blair twice and Broon once – even inspite of the clear evidence of damage they were doing to the country as a whole, apparently nothing would induce him to vote any other way).