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Thread #155013   Message #3647916
Posted By: Stu
03-Aug-14 - 07:16 AM
Thread Name: BS: Church joins real world
Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
"I don't insist you read reams of creation articles"

I have gone and read relevant articles (on your beloved CMI for instance), and they tend to be appallingly inaccurate and contain arguments based on fallacy. To even attempt to start going through them point by point would be an utter waste of life, and I wonder what whomever wrote them is motivated by. Truth? I don't think so.


" if you have a answer , you tell us what it is."

Sorry, what was the question again? I've looked but can't find an actual question - although I did answer your point on 'evolutionists'. This however, also deserves comment:

. . . coupled with an assurance that new info will be followed without bias, and of course discounting any creationist explanation a priori."

Actually, this isn't true. Scientists work very hard to eliminate bias as being human it might creep in to research. However, recognising bias exists is the first step on the road to eliminating or reducing it to levels where it won't affect a set of results. There are many ways this is done, but statistical techniques are widespread and useful, as is the peer review process that should spot bias and unacceptable equivocation too, (amongst a whole slew of other things).

The reason creationist explanations are not considered is because there is no evidence for them in the geological record. If there were, then a hypothesis would be drawn up and tested; in fact, this has happened and the idea of a young earth was dismissed many, many years ago (in the 1830's to be precise). Since then all the evidence points to a 4.3 billion year old earth. Of course Pete (and as I've said many time before), you could challenge this theory in a meaningful way by finding a horse in the Burgess Shale, a bony fish in the Edicarian, a hominem in the Mesozoic. Seeing as the entire creationist movement has found not a single hint of any of these, and predictions are they won't (they can be tested - off you go!), all available evidence points to creationism being total bunkum.

Come on Pete, there are fossil sites all around the country - go and be the man who changed the course of human history and re-write the earth sciences text books (prediction: you won't).