Bill seems eager to engage in a "meaningful" debate with Pete

Unfortunately, that's not possible - for Bill or anyone else, as even a small exposure to pete should make abundantly clear.

Mudcat is hardly a spot where mass numbers of creationists gather to plan sinister creationist plots......I would put Pete and his beliefs very low on the "danger in growing up in school" reichter scale.

Ed, You put things a lot more flippantly than you would if you were personally acquainted with the very real harm creationist fundegelical assholes do. If you're in Britain this is to some extent understandable, but you should look a little more closely into the situation in the U.S. before dismissing the problem.

If you're in the U.S., you're just not paying attention and there's NO excuse for that.

(And that's Richter.)