Pete... you are free to prattle on, but please do not insult me with "offers" to dispute your points. You are not listening and have no intention of listening. Your own words give us your true intentions... which are to throw whatever monkey wrench or distractions you can into what might otherwise become a productive discourse (however unlikely).

"yes, I should like to see you all "saved" ,but remember, it is not me starting these threads , and I am not planning on letting you have an agreefest!."

"Agree fest?!?" Are you so insecure that the very thought of a civil discussion of "heresy" compels you to take up the gauntlet against those who disagree with you? Might not prayer ( if not action) for world peace be a better use of your religious convictions?