" ... it is certainly true that creationists begin with the position, that the bible is Gods word to us ..."

Have they (or you) got any evidence for that? Or do they (and you) believe that the Bible is God's word ... err ... because it is written in the Bible that it is? I seem to remember that you're familiar with the phrase "circular reasoning", pete? Is there any independent evidence that confirms that the Bible is God's word?