thanks for your response Phil, so that's two that could hear at least most of the words, often of course in a conversation, or listing to a song being performed, you don't necessarily pick up every single word, particularly on one listen.

still of the opinion that Jim, who maintains he can't hear any of the words, (we know does not like folk/rock)is not listening or debating with an open mind.

I've just started a new thread to discuss whether a folk/rock arrangement makes a traditional song 'meaningless' (no need to post on that one Jim, we know where you sit!)

John