we certainly have been here before, shimrod, though your memory is a little hazy. I said that God was eternal and spirit, though of course, he is in a sense also unknowable in his complete attributes. can there be such a thing as infinite regress ?. the Christian has an answer from the bible. you don't accept that. I do. equal ? well, as I said before you are left with believing that everything came from nothing via no one. that is totally against science and logic. you and your fellow believers elect to believe that. atheism [whatever your dictionary says] must believe in some sort of self creation. that goes against logic and science. is that a faith position...you bet it is ! and then jack says God is impossible, perhaps the most outlandish of his eloquent but unsubstantiated assertions. and the animosity with which most exhibit, it seems, betray evidence of their religious devotion to their no god worldview.