I submit that misplaced binary thinking, versus ternary thinking, on both sides in this thread have taken over the discussion, where each side can only see two extreme alternatives. The middle ground has become mostly invisible, making people say illogical and emotionally charged things about the other side, possibly with a misguided belief that they trancend such reactions.

Under such a scenario, one should not expect much rewarding from the discussion, as I suspect anyone with anything to contribute that does not reinforce either side would be cautious to do so, or likely left some time ago.