that would be the sophisticated, well-educated countries where 60% of the population vote for 2 or 3 parties that can only manage to offer a politics that will only promise variants of what the daily mail approves of and then fail to deliver on that. and the rest think that neo-fascist idiots are a radical alternative? where liars, spivs or cheats are the only option. defeated, cynical countries where hope for anything better from our politicians is treated with scorn and derision. those sort of countries?