On another topic, I can't decide what is more dangerous: pete, or debating with pete.

have to agree with you there... you can no conduct a one sided debate, only make corrective statements to clarify where the errors in logic or fact are found.

as for projection... this is likely my last chance to make clear my position regarding pete's behavior.

everyone at some point engages in passive-aggressive behavior, just as we also lose our tempers or tell little white lies. Pointing out said behavior is NOT branding them as pathological liers, etc. That's is your presumption.

That said... for all of Bill's attempts to "debate" pete... has anyone seen an iota of change? There's a reason for that... and I put forward my guesses as to the underlying reasons.

I believe that Joe is very sincere in his beliefs and does not need to try to undermine another's viewpoint to valdiate his own. Maybe pete should give that a try... it does seem to be more in keeping with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth