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Thread #155357   Message #3668392
Posted By: Jim Carroll
12-Oct-14 - 01:36 PM
Thread Name: What makes a new song a folk song?
Subject: RE: What makes a new song a folk song?
"pop / folk crossover track"
And I said if I was served that up I would be thoroughly pissed off, can see the pop aspect but the folk one thoroughly escapes me.
I'm an "intrernationalist" too - politically and musically, and I know former Yugoslavia to be capable of far nearer examples of traditional music - that sounded like a mediocre(ish) Herb Alpert to me, but that may be me, of course, I have no great argument with you or your opinions.
"'PFK' a mistyping for me ?"
'Tis, of course, should be PFR - apologies.
"stop contradicting me."
I'll contradict you as long asyou continue putting up descriptions that come nowhere near the facts of The Grey Cock.
If you said the club took themselves too seriously, I would happily have agreed to differ on that one - that was Campbell's criticism when we spoke to him t the MacColl symposium, but your extremely inaccurate and unfair description of the musicianship and the disrespect of the audience blew your cover for me; I know that the musical standards were fairly high and that it was drummed into the residents by the organisers that you didn't faff around wasting time in front of an audience - one of the big no-nos of the club, fairly well stressed in one of journalist, Trevor Fisher's articles about the Midlands folk scene (We're Only in it For the Money?).
Your comments about Carthy took me aback somewhat; I always found him a little like Bert Lloyd, indredibly reluctant to criticise a fellow musician ("if you can't say anything good about someone, say nothing") - a thoroughly nice bloke.
But your 'fishemen's smocks' did it for me - come off it Al - a joke surely?
The lovely Joy Ashworth, who I loved madly, and who did the door throughout the existence if the club, would cut your balls off and hang them around her neck at such a suggestion.
Jim Carroll