FloraG:

Usually, in that kind of establishment, there isn't a TV. TV isn't really relevant to "young persons" these days. None of my 3 have a TV in their own flats, and neither do most of their friends. Any programme watching they do, they do through their notebooks or tablets, but mostly they just don't watch it at all.

Anyway, I go to that kind of pub sometimes, usually with rock climbing or Military Fitness friends, who are (both groups) all ages from early 20s to mid 70s (I'm 59 myself). Yes, we stand around talking (loudly, above the music), holding bottles or glasses in hand. Usually bottles as they're less likely to spill than a glass, in a crowd. The music (live or otherwise) isn't "folk" by any stretch of the imagination.

However, I reckon I have "listening skills" and several of the people I attend this kind of venue with are accomplished musicians, some in their 20s or 30s, who also have "listening skills", and play/ sing/ listen at other venues. Just because you go to a noisy, crowded pub sometimes doesn't mean you can't also appreciate a different type of event.

Strangely, when I was young I also went to pubs/ events (including noisy/ crowded Led Zeppelin/ Who/ RollingStones gigs, with flashing lights etc) AS WELL as going to see local acoustic performers in upstairs rooms of pubs, where I managed to refrain from dancing around with a bottle in my hand, and sat quietly, listening.

I still enjoy both scenarios....and the odd classical concert!