If "troll" means disagreeing with anonymous "guests" then so be it. I wasn't asking Malcolm to volunteer, was I, more to piss or get off the pot really. He was the man who sarcastically asked if we wanted to bid for Bulmer's urinals, remember, a nice case of trying to obstruct the debate. Every Bulmer thread throws up people like that. You may also care to dwell for a second on the fact that you are an anonymous "guest" whereas I'm out here in the open, and consider which of us would be more likely to troll. To repeat, "to troll" does not mean "to disagree with you". Maybe you've been reading too many issues of the Daily Mail lately.

Now back to the question, eh? The point is that, somewhere, there are either tapes or there aren't any more. Even if the tapes are knackered, there are still rights and we know that good vinyl still exists. The silence on the tapes is deafening, which is not a good sign, but there's the vinyl, potentially a good second-best. Even Mr Bulmer's allies in this thread accept that they have little or no financial value. They are certainly not earning anyone any money at the moment. So if the family or friends of the family (including one or two people here who claim to be closer than the rest of us) read this thread, let's have a little gentle pressure in the right direction to now do the decent thing. If there's no money in it for the family now, there never will be, so just give the rights back to the artists. That might represent a financial loss but there's no prospect of that being turned around. It would cost more to get the recordings out in decent quality than any profit to be made, eh? So at least let the artists have free rein to do what they want to with their material. They won't make money either, but at least they would have the choice. And let's stop pretending that hanging on and saying nothing is the decent thing, eh?