what the hell do you think goes on in a war?
of course there is torture - gaining intelligence of what the enemy is up to is of what both sides do. its the least your men in the field deserve.

'jihad' means holy war, doesn't it. it reminds me somewhat of what the Argentinians said after The Falklands - we were naive, we didn't know war was like that.

if you read Brian Keenans account of his captivity - it seems to that the Muslim world has a very firm grasp of the ethics - or rather the lack of them that govern the use of torture in war.

why the hell haven't you lot? and why would the shit hit the fan in Ireland, Jim. Both sides were using torture in the recent unpleasantness. God knows, they had time enough to get used to the idea.