rahere - we need to get serious here. i strongly believe that all of us -men and women- have a duty to our souls and to our communities to go to the pub. there is no use complaining about good pubs closing or pubs being grotty (or full of noisy machines and young people etc) if we have stopped going because it's a bit chilly or there is something marginally less worthless than usual on TV. go to the pub! take your neighbours and re-establish your local as a good place for people to meet and talk crap while getting slightly pissed. if your pub is shit/shut whose fault is it -yours!