I am not proud of my atheism. It's simply where I've got to. In fact, I have plenty of doubts, as it happens. And I do not think that people of religion are stupid. I do think that they carry certain delusions in that aspect of their lives, but I have those too (I support Liverpool, fer chrissake, and I won't hear a word said against Carly Simon). Musket's even worse as he supports Sheffield Wednesday. I haven't a clue as to what you do or don't believe unless you tell me. But I'm clear about this much: anyone who says they believe in God the Creator cannot also embrace evolution, even if they say they do, because the two are entirely incompatible. Evolution can't work with someone guiding it or starting it off. The theory, which you'll agree is a very good explanation of evolution, shows us that the process can have no goals or underlying driving force bar natural selection. There are boundless mistakes, over-production of offspring, blind endings and bad moves which do not compute with the God notion, unless you want to give God a major refit. You praised me for being forthright yet not abrasive in the other thread. Perhaps you'll give me cause to return the compliment, but it won't be as a result of this post of yours.