None of the famous four gospels was written before at least forty years had passed since Jesus's death. Think what that means with regard to all those "quotations" of his that form the bedrock of Christianity. Tape recorders didn't exactly exist in those days. The only references to the man Jesus we have are all by the religious writers who were on his side. There is not a single reference to Jesus in any secular source from the time, and sources from the time are abundant. Rather strange. I should like to know how these facts sit with your take on what represents valid historical sources and legitimate historians, Keith.