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Thread #156666   Message #3698434
Posted By: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
30-Mar-15 - 01:29 PM
Thread Name: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
ok dave, hopefully we are more or less clear on that one !.

shimrod, re your numbered points..
1, of course it is my preference. and you have yours !. and it is perfectly logical, and accords with experience and observation, to say that creation has a creator. granted, that in itself is not proof. your preference has yet to demonstrate logicality, and is contrary to experience and observation.
2, it is inferred by his description as being eternal and spirit. and also by virtue of being creator of heaven and earth.   i think we are agreed that time had a beginning. but God was at the beginning, and began it.
3, I was, I thought following kherkut [not sure of spelling] who did delineate the general theory as encompassing the entire theory. unless it was "grand" rather than "general". either way, seeking to separate is picky at best and evading at better,
4, and I answered you many times. only a few posts up, that I don't believe in a god who needs creating.
5, congratulations, you've scored points there. however, I am sure you knew what I was driving at. indeed ice is a solid, water liquid, and steam a gas . have you witnessed it becoming anything else ? or do you have a mechanism for it morphing into anything else, let alone life, and the information to sustain it ?.
the irony is, that the bible describes water as being Gods starting material in creation.