and Jon...this is not a shit thread it was / is a geniune attempt to understand someone who is perhaps where I once was and introduce some construct to the procedings....this way there may be a point to it all.

My problem (and perhaps it may be shared elsewhere) is that the idea of a Klickque sometimes is eay to comprehend. When posting to some threads you have to walk on eggshells and this isn't condusive to open discussion.

and I stick by my Shubb....(Kaisers indeed...!;-)