What is going on in this thread is not debate. It is a lot of bullying interspersed with incessant repetition and foul language. And yes, some are bloody tired of it. It would be impossible to open a thread on most contemporary issues that would not be taken over by the same people who constantly embarrass themselves on other threads. I people are tired of notbeing able to have civil debates because the uninformed and the uncivil dominate the thread.