I'll bear that in mind, Co messiah emeritus with gnomish attributes....

Talking of low... Interesting set of articles recently in many periodicals pointing out that the high number of Christian slaughter needs analysing in the light of two aspects:

Many of those slaughtered are labelled as Christians. You cannot tally the Muslim factor of the oppressors on the same level as the victims being Christians. After all, if they attacked our village (3,400 people) the press would call us Christians yet 30 seem to be practicing and another seven or so turn up at Easter.

The other aspect is that it is being associated with the West that is the important bit. Terrorists on a jihad mission seem to think that normal people care about religion in the same way they do,whereas most people couldn't give a rats arse over here, so oppression and murdering easy targets in Syria, Nigeria etc, they think we would be upset as "brothers" are slaughtered in the same way a few Muslim kids here think along those lines.

Nobody told them it is sadly about the third news story in on a good day, and happening to foreigners. If they think they will provoke a backlash on the basis of us and them, they have been listening to too many irresponsible church leaders doing their dirty work for them by calling innocent bystanders in the wrong place at the wrong time, martyrs.

Religion is an issue, and the response of church leaders, identifying with one side on the supposition the West in general is into "us and them" is fucking disgraceful.

Yeah, let's talk about religious persecution Keith. You'd have normal people classed as on one side of an irrelevant problem, whereas the awful stance of Welby and other apologists for terror just fan the flames, and they know it.

Martyrs... No. Dead people. Live with it. They can't so do it for them from the comfort of your judgemental armchair.