... nothing to do with Christianity Shaw just parents telling their children the plain truth - you are responsible now for looking after yourself, don't expect anyone else to do it for you - stood me in good stead.

Well, lusty and virtuous, upstanding stuff indeed. Except that, in the same post, you tell us that you did absolutely everything for your kids including funding their cars and financing their steps on to the housing ladder. So what you're saying to us is, in moral high tones, "do as I say, not as I do", eh?