Not disputing any of that, Keith, but always worth pointing out that by "All Historians" you actually meant all historians that have had work published, have done research in the last 30 years, you consider to be eminent, that have no political axe to grind, that can be found in book shops, excluding on-line bookshops and are recognised as historians only by the group as just detailed. Which is what I meant by your exacting standards. Glad to see you say that you did say all historians though. Means my memory is not at fault after all. Maybe you can now help Teribus find where I disregarded any facts or disputed any of your three statements?