I think you are looking too deeply into what Musket was saying.

I was basically agreeing with Musket but saying that I thought his way of arguing the point was counterproductive. Unless his point was just to annoy pete rather than offer him another way of thinking about things.

There are many followers of the 'Abrahamic faiths' who believe in evolution. There are religious scholars of at least two of them who are happy to pull the old texts apart the way that is happening with Barbara Allen above the line here, to seek out other writings that did not get included in (or were edited out of) their 'holy texts' and to discuss the motives of the 'editors'.

Creationists don't seem to be able to understand this so sarcasm or irony that we understand but they don't isn't going to convince them.

Neither, unfortunatly, are those programs being put out by the BBC just now because the creationists see evolution as the 'holy text' (or maybe a 'magical text') of those of another faith, rather than hearing or understanding the evidence and reasoning that is behind it.

Pete is probably a lost cause. I hope the US justice system is not.