Spaw, the guy you saw (when??? where??? and WHAT WERE YOU BOTH UP TO???) with the flexible not-to-say-limp shaft was obviously (... it's obvious to ME anyway ...) NOT Mudcat's very own Bill D....Couldn't have been.... Possibly it was one of the many Bill D Look-Alikes and Bill D Impersonators that are going around trying to get chicks by claiming to be Himself....