> There is no such thing as God, unless it's the term you give to what we haven't worked out yet.

Prove it. Maybe certain things can never be worked out. Just when I was getting a handle on anti-matter, they came up with dark matter. Then dark energy snuck up on me. There seems to be no reason to assume that one day, all things will be "worked out." It could happen - but maybe not. If what cannot then be "worked out" is called God, so what? There are things that may never be worked out.

Of course you can't prove that God is non-existent. What you can prove is that the idea of God is not logically required to explain things. That highlights the difference between facts (what we can ascertain) and truth (the way things really are, whether we know it or not).

What's more, there's no "burden of proof" on anyone in a debate in which the subject is acknowledged by all to be beyond proof.

I say Santa is real, you say I'm crazy. The "onus" is certainly on me if I wish to convince you or anyone that Santa is real; but I'm equally justified in say that if you wish to convince me otherwise, the burden is on you.

Not scientific, but who said Santa was scientific?

Try this. It's 1715. You're arguing for something very much like quantum physics before your scientific colleagues. They have every logical reason to say you're talking nonsense. But you're not.

The Truth seems to be (note "seems") that quantum physics is real, but nobody in 1715 would have any reason to think so. QP was not necessary to explain the world to the satisfaction of scientists in 1715.

Also, several posts seem to mix up "God" in the most basic sense of conscious creator and organizer, prime mover, or the like, with the version of "god" promoted by their favorite or least favorite religion.

They also seem to confuse the issue of whether God exists or could exist, with the related but distinct issue of whether there's logical evidence to make them believe in God - usually as promoted by someone else.

There was no compelling evidence to believe in quantum physics in 1715. Or in T. rex, other galaxies, the mountain gorilla, etc.

God either exists or not. Except as a diversion, debating the matter is currently pointless. IMHO, of course.