I'm not bothered about wanting to prove whether there's a God or not, and anyone who asks for proof one way or the other is an idiot. All I can do is to state the case based on reason (not tonight, Josephine). If for any reason at all you eschew reason in favour of faith, in my eyes at least you're diminished. That's your problem if you can be arsed to let it be. I honestly don't know whether there's a God or not and never will. Mind you, if I get to the pearly gates and St Pete asks me why I didn't believe in God, I'd have to tell him that I reached that conclusion via reason, using the mighty brain that God gave me. OK, Lord, so you exist after all, and I got it a bit wrong, I'd have to say. But at least I used my God-given brain to its fullest potential in order to reason it out, which is more than can be said for any believer. And Dave, as you know, God sits at Shankly's right hand. Ferguson, in contrast, is, as we all know, Beelzebub personified. Try to not mention them in the same post from now on. ;-)