OK, if nothing but to get Keith off the other thread I will, once only, go through my reasoning. The gist is here in Keith's comment

Dave, in reply to
"publicity that draws people into IS all comes from IS via the internet." you said,
"No it doesn't. It is on mainstream media as well. Or did I dream I saw it the BBC and in the papers? "

In his usual manner Keith has gone on (and on and on and on) here and in other threads that because I have not explained why I hold this opinion, it is not to be taken seriously. So here is that explanation.

Mainstream media has become a tool for manipulating the general public, used by governments and power brokers for their own ends. That is not just my opinion, it is that of many people including the afore mentioned Noam Chomsky. Because we are unaware of the extent or reasons of this manipulation there is nothing that comes out of the media that we can trust. We also know full well that the jihadists are publicly portrayed in the mainstream media as evil. Some people will take this as an invitation to hate them and all they stand for, including Islam. Other people, primarily young Muslims, suffer the consequences of this on a regular basis and this leads them to seek out alternative ways of fighting back. While the mainstream media may not be directly involved in recruitment they should take some responsibility for creating the conditions to make these young people take these desperate measures.

I know full well that Keith will say something along the lines of 'Ah - but they do not actually recruit' but, to be honest, I do not give a shit any more. Anyone with any sense knows full well what my comment was aimed at. Keith, on the other hand, will happily try to score points and 'win' nit-picking points while people die in their droves.

That is all I am prepared to say on the matter and I am now out of this thread. If you want to respond Keith, do it here stop stalking me on other threads.