But I really haven't seen any need for an intervention in this thread, Bill. At least not in its main thrust. Ok, Jim and Keith are at it again basically because Keith turns up everywhere like a soddin' bad penny, but it hasn't gone far enough to warrant a mod intervention. It's bloody repressive at times, to be honest. And if the mods feel overworked or overwhelmed, they could back off. Threads that wander off topic or go sour have a habit of righting themselves in the end. If they're given a chance, of course. Or maybe I have too much bloody faith in human nature.