not taken by the people choosing them by election, but by politicians - and that is your idea of democracy?

Oh for heavans sake. That's what happens in a chamber with a nominated membership. If we don't like who the politicians chose to be there we choose different politicans.

One of these days one of you will run into a Keith in real life, will screw up your arguments and people will adopt his point of view, or elect him to parliament or something.