I was rather hoping that the thread would focus on how to have a civil debate rather than provide a springboard for old wars but, seeing as it has gone down that route, how about we at least concentrate on the issues rather than the people? If we must address personalities let us leave the idea that there are gangs of people and acolytes conspiring to do others harm. I know for a fact that, other than the odd email or chance meeting, there is no conspiracy amongst the people described as teams and minions. Facts are what matter and referring to non-existent cabals is both insulting to both the targets and the intelligence of most readers.

In answer to the guest who asks why there is a need to call anyone anything. It is a good question and one that I would agree with in the main but had he or she read earlier posts they would have found that I have stated quite clear and logical reasons why abuse or incivility is sometimes necessary. I suggest that a measure of civility would be having read what has gone on earlier in the thread before raising questions that have already been answered.