Leading by example is a good maxim that is often broken. I had a mentor who used to say 'Do as I say, not as I do', which is, in my opinion, the next best thing. I seriously doubt that anyone involved in this debate has never cast a stone but that is beside the point anyway. We are talking about how we should have a civil debate, not what has happened before. I will continue to be civil or to take the piss as circumstances dictate. I do not hold myself up as a role model to anyone here and the fact remains that I have never tried to insist to anyone that my opinion is the only valid one, no matter how much I know it to be true. It is my choice to respect some views and reject others and that is often as much about how the argument is made as the opinion itself. Whether anyone learns anything from what I say matters little but I can honestly say that I am far more inclined to accept the opinions of those who do not insist that they are right than the views of those who cannot see that there are other possibilities.