I should like my accuser to apprise me of the sweeping assumptions I'm supposed to have made. My post was full of caveats along the lines of as-long-as. Like Jim, I know exactly how Catholics were often raised, possibly, probably, still are. I know how Muslims are often raised (I taught in Walthamstow for six years in in a school that was 40% Muslim). I know that there are people of both faiths who teach their children to be open-minded and ultimately, to be free if they so choose. My post made it clear that that's what I think. It is perfectly possible to be both a person of faith and fair-minded, despite the delusion. I also know that there are many of both faiths who tell their children that to demur is to risk social exclusion, ostracism, death or certain hell fire. Just because you disagree with me doesn't entitle you to hurl offensive remarks around about sweeping assumptions. Not that I'm capable of being offended anyway. Or enraged, for the record.