Hmmm? I wonder who is really "talking b*ll*cks on here"? Under New Labour the opinions of "ordinary members of the public" on "how we might run this country" were regarded with contempt and what really mattered were the opinions of Big Business ... not much different from Tory attitudes, really. Listen, Les, I'm not going to vote for - let alone work for - a party which I am convinced doesn't represent me or my fellow 'ordinary' citizens. If the Labour Party wants my loyalty back, after the betrayals of the last couple of decades, it's going to have to work damn hard! If the Tories got in last time that's partly a result of the first past the post system but also because Labour alienated its core vote! We who didn't vote Tory or Labour were left with a very limited choice.