You see, Terribilis, left wingers think that "full employment, peace, good quality housing and a world free from famine, disease and water shortages" would be a good thing. Con-servatives and others think that it would be a bad thing, because then the poor would be less terrified of the powers of the rich and organised capital. It's quite remarkable how you can say what you do so soon after a coroner has officially found that the death of a person was due to the effects of government policy over benefits.