I think that you make a good case, Joe. Yes, the present Pope has shown a good deal of humanity and political understanding in a good many areas of human endeavour. I welcome that. It's just that when you say So, I let the popes say what they will about sexuality, and I will continue to respectfully disagree I can't quite get my head around why you should be so respectful about attitudes that are so disrepectfully illiberal. OK, tactics, outcomes. Bit slow though, innit?

Kevin, Giles Fraser is a man with a conscience all right but he is a loose canon if ever there was one ( sorry...)