Ah, I forgot about John Paul II. I can do the sums but I forgot about him. Actually, there's another whose sainthood throws the Church into disrepute. Think of all those child abuse issues that got swept under the carpet on his watch. You'd have been better off not mentioning him, I reckon. Oh well. Still, I admit you got me on the maths there. As for the rest, a bit snide there, Joe, for such a Christian fellow. I try not to smear you, but I suppose I don't care if you don't return the compliment. The reason I spared the thread a litany of awful Teresa quotes is that anyone who wants to find them can easily do so. To be honest, I'd rather fill my post with my views. But tell me to do and I'll do it. You may get more than a dozen. As for not being able to back up my assertion that your post was just a load of spin, well what do you think I've been doing? I've given you specific examples of the woman's awfulness, so I assume you are either in denial or you don't believe me. I can back up everything I say about her (not that I should need to, as it's all on public record, whether you've looked for it or not), so be careful what you wish for. Instead, I suggest that you cast off the blinkers, get honest and do your own collar work. It won't be edifying. Your long post is pretty desperate. Do your homework and reflect on it. You are defending a woman who was everything you claim to oppose, and her attributes were extremely damaging, both to Catholicism and to the thousands of her victims.